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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:22:00 -
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We are still missing A LOT of basic content:
Caldari heavy
Gallente Heavy
Minmatar Heavy
Amarr scout
Caldari scout
Amarr tanks
Caldari tanks
Amarr LAVs
Caldari LAVs
Amarr Dropships
Caldari Dropships
Amarr Heavy weapon
Gallente Heavy weapon
Amarr grenades
Caldari grenades
Gallente sidearm
I am missing so much CORE content on this list it is not funny.
CCP, focus on this and this alone. Release one item per month every month until you have racial parity. Get everyone to focus on completing this game so it can get out of beta. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:04:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Just throwing this out there - not all developers work on the same things and so expecting full suits/etc to be released at once in place of everything else is unreasonable. Team True Grit, for example, doesn't do weapons.
There are new weapons coming in 1.7, with racial suits to follow SoonGäó. I would imagine that they are working on the other duits/weapons/vehicles/etc but given the moving parts the developers working on these are going to be putting them out piecemeal as we have new point releases come out.
That said, I would like them as well but prefer to be patient. There are things in Eve I want as well, but again I know that waiting for them to be closer to right then closer to broken is more important for my enjoyment.
and here-in lies the problem.
While not all of the development teams work on content... how many actually do. Since release (7 months ago) what new content (in the forms of suits/weapons/items) has come out?
Commando
Rail rifle
Combat rifle
Are you f-ing kidding me? 7 months for 3 items? At this rate of development we are looking at another 46 months minimum for just the rest of the content I listed to come out. THATS ALMOST 4 YEARS.
CCP need to re-prioritize their development efforts. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:09:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:We are still missing A LOT of basic content:
Caldari heavy
Gallente Heavy
Minmatar Heavy
Amarr scout
Caldari scout
Amarr tanks
Caldari tanks
Amarr LAVs
Caldari LAVs
Amarr Dropships
Caldari Dropships
Amarr Heavy weapon
Gallente Heavy weapon
Amarr grenades
Caldari grenades
Gallente sidearm
I am missing so much CORE content on this list it is not funny.
CCP, focus on this and this alone. Release one item per month every month until you have racial parity. Get everyone to focus on completing this game so it can get out of beta. You post this within hours of the FW dev blog? Really?
Yep, there was supposed to be this big reveal, the biggest patch yet in dust history. What do we get.... freindly fire???
How about finishing the damn game. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:11:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Just throwing this out there - not all developers work on the same things and so expecting full suits/etc to be released at once in place of everything else is unreasonable. Team True Grit, for example, doesn't do weapons.
There are new weapons coming in 1.7, with racial suits to follow SoonGäó. I would imagine that they are working on the other duits/weapons/vehicles/etc but given the moving parts the developers working on these are going to be putting them out piecemeal as we have new point releases come out.
That said, I would like them as well but prefer to be patient. There are things in Eve I want as well, but again I know that waiting for them to be closer to right then closer to broken is more important for my enjoyment. and here-in lies the problem. While not all of the development teams work on content... how many actually do. Since release (7 months ago) what new content (in the forms of suits/weapons/items/vehicles) has come out? Commando Rail rifle Combat rifle Are you f-ing kidding me? 7 months for 3 items? At this rate of development we are looking at another 46 months minimum for just the rest of the content I listed to come out. THATS ALMOST 4 YEARS. CCP need to re-prioritize their development efforts. EDIT: Lets put it another way. If they were to release just the items I listed at one per month (assuming sentinel and commando come out different months) we are talking about 20 + months... another 2 years at releasing one item/weapon/suit/vehicle per month. Even that is ridiculous. You're right - let's break hit detection again, reintroduce a lot of lag, take back the new large and medium sockets, along with the new maps... I mean really CCP? Why not just give me an Ion pistol because that will definitely bring new players.... 
Yeah because the pathway that they have taken is just gushing new players isn't it? |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:13:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:we have caldari vehicles bro
Edited original post |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:19:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Yep, there was supposed to be this big reveal, the biggest patch yet in dust history. What do we get.... freindly fire???
How about finishing the damn game. Finishing the game? How about I wait while you go and read a bit of background about what the devs are doing with Dust. Let me know when you are done.
I know how CCP develops eve, I know it will be a continous development process... here is the thing.
In eve when anything is released (racial content here), all four races are represented. This has been the one of the corner-stones of eve development for over a decade.
So what about dust?
Heavies:
Gallente missing commando/basic/sentinel
Caldari missing commando/basic/sentinel
Minmatar missing commando/basic/sentinel
Lights:
Amarr missing scout/basic
Caldari missing scout/basic
Grenades:
Amarr missing
Caldari missing
Vehicles:
Amarr missing LAVs/HAVs/Dropships
Minmatar missing LAVs/HAVs/Dropships
This is shoddy development by eve and CCP's standards. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:23:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Just throwing this out there - not all developers work on the same things and so expecting full suits/etc to be released at once in place of everything else is unreasonable. Team True Grit, for example, doesn't do weapons.
There are new weapons coming in 1.7, with racial suits to follow SoonGäó. I would imagine that they are working on the other duits/weapons/vehicles/etc but given the moving parts the developers working on these are going to be putting them out piecemeal as we have new point releases come out.
That said, I would like them as well but prefer to be patient. There are things in Eve I want as well, but again I know that waiting for them to be closer to right then closer to broken is more important for my enjoyment. and here-in lies the problem. While not all of the development teams work on content... how many actually do. Since release (7 months ago) what new content (in the forms of suits/weapons/items/vehicles) has come out? Commando Rail rifle Combat rifle Are you f-ing kidding me? 7 months for 3 items? At this rate of development we are looking at another 46 months minimum for just the rest of the content I listed to come out. THATS ALMOST 4 YEARS. CCP need to re-prioritize their development efforts. EDIT: Lets put it another way. If they were to release just the items I listed at one per month (assuming sentinel and commando come out different months) we are talking about 20 + months... another 2 years at releasing one item/weapon/suit/vehicle per month. Even that is ridiculous. You're right - let's break hit detection again, reintroduce a lot of lag, take back the new large and medium sockets, along with the new maps... I mean really CCP? Why not just give me an Ion pistol because that will definitely bring new players.... Yeah because the pathway that they have taken is just gushing new players isn't it? Attrition of veteran players would be higher if hit detection and lag and all the rest weren't fixed/introduced.
Any other un-founded claims you would like to make? Do you have data to support this?
How many veterans have left because of aim assists? How many left because they got tired of waiting for the rest of the content (like their racial vehicles*)? How many left because they saw an unfinished game?
*I know you can fly/drive any vehicles, some people just want to use their races (like PIE) |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:25:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Yep, there was supposed to be this big reveal, the biggest patch yet in dust history. What do we get.... freindly fire???
How about finishing the damn game. Finishing the game? How about I wait while you go and read a bit of background about what the devs are doing with Dust. Let me know when you are done. Well said old friend.
Once again, look at how CCP develops eve.. racial parity. Now look at dust. The game is not in a finished state by eve development standards... standards that have been in-places since day 1 |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:26:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:This is shoddy development by eve and CCP's standards. No, its shoddy development by your standards. Yes, I'd love a Minmatar heavy suit. And yes, I jumped for joy (inside) when they announced the Combat Rifle. But this idea you have about balancing content across the races is nothing more than your opinion.
Obviously you know nothing about eve or CCP history I can see. Its like arguing with a 5 year old about something.
CCP standard:
Release with racial parity
Dust:
Derp |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:31:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:We have Caldari grenades already.
Everything else on your list should have been here for 'full release' (obligatory LOL).
Allotek were gallente I thought?
In which case Flux Grenades are gallente
Core is of course minmatar
Oh right, AV grenades. |
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:03:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:R F Gyro wrote:
actually i believe eve only started with a few ships and most of everything wasnt there. so by CCP standards they seem to be on track.
Actually whenever CCP released ANY ship they released them with representation from all of the races (well ones that qualified anyway) They never released a gallente battleship by itself without it's counterparts. That would make be an incomplete release. [quote=Sadress Phillips][quote=Crimson Cerberes] CCP standard: Release with racial parity LOL you have got to be kidding me.
you can LOL all you want, a decade of history shows differently
The way they are doing it now just bleeds horrible leadership, game design, and game planning. It also makes people CRY for respecs. Racial equality = no more respecs. Actually it is the reason why CCP never hands them out (in eve) and the reason why they never will. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
83
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:27:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote: you can LOL all you want, a decade of history shows differently
The way they are doing it now just bleeds horrible leadership, game design, and game planning. It also makes people CRY for respecs. Racial equality = no more respecs. Actually it is the reason why CCP never hands them out (in eve) and the reason why they never will. They are different development teams. CCP Shanghai is not CCP Reykjavik. Who woulda guessed right? Oh wait, sorry, continue your pissy party
Are you complaining about complaining? Thats hilarious.
They are different developers owned by the same publisher working on games in the same universe attempting to use the same lore with very similar features and attempting to interlock the two games.....
Oh thats right they are completely different. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
83
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:30:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Well arguing about it isn't going to change anything. There's lots of things I want but never get. I'm sure they are working on it as efficiently as possible. The Devs are people too; they have lives and normal work hours like everyone else. I'd rather they release stuff that they are happy and confident in than stuff that doesn't work. Stop crying.
People arguing about stuff on the forums ended up making CCP stop all content creation in order to fix hit detection, vehicles, and other playability issues. People arguing about stuff on the forums got the flaylock nerfed into oblivion and AV equally so. So tell me why people complaining on the forums can't get CCP to focus on content that should have been here when they went into release. |
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